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It was the seco...That double hundred was ludicrous. It was the second innings and hardly anyone had laid bat to ball in the entire match before that point.<BR/><BR/>Astle's was even more ludicrous, obviously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37251922.post-65489543998576049062008-04-02T17:46:00.000+01:002008-04-02T17:46:00.000+01:00Re: 200 - it was against a fairly poor opposition ...Re: 200 - it was against a fairly poor opposition with (for the most part the pressure off - not a typical Thorpe innings, as you point out Brian!<BR/><BR/>In terms of 2005, it is true Bell seemed to be inked in but many fans (and Mike Atherton wrote a column on it too, I seem to remember) were saying the argument was all wrong. Wouldn't it have been intriguing to see Pietersen AND Thorpe in the side, though the selectors were understandably reluctant to put either at no 4.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for all the kind words too!Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09215417891130654291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37251922.post-65077774986014909342008-04-02T14:38:00.000+01:002008-04-02T14:38:00.000+01:00A great post about a magnificent player, Tim. My ...A great post about a magnificent player, Tim. My memory is that the 200 at Christchurch wasn't quite as good as most of the innings you've featured (probably because it was made under less pressure - which Thorpe always thrived under - than most of them), so no problems with that from my viewpoint. Nick is right in saying that it was always seen as a choice between Pietersen and Thorpe at the start of the Ashes series in 2005. Despite my long-time regard for Thorpe I went for Pietersen as I'd seen his ODI tons in SA and had the feeling he was something very special. With hindsight, of course, he should probably have played instead of Bell, and with equal hindsight, it's a pity that someone who did so much to keep England afloat in really tough times didn't get to share in the Ashes win.Brian Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10336241250446877498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37251922.post-44816192696990164792008-04-02T12:14:00.000+01:002008-04-02T12:14:00.000+01:00Graham Thorpe was my favourite player in the two p...Graham Thorpe was my favourite player in the two phases of his career. Always reliable it was a shame that personal troubles got in the way mid-career and that he missed out on the 2005 Ashes, a series which could have been won more convincingly with Thrope's inclusion. It was a horrible way to end a brilliant career and not at all like what the Australians would have done (see Gilchrist, Hayden, Langer, Warne, McGrath). Thorpe was as key to England as they were to Australia.Chrispyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17116768172493122694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37251922.post-76504862160019604182008-04-01T22:20:00.000+01:002008-04-01T22:20:00.000+01:00Excellent stuff, Tim. Thorpe was my favourite Engl...Excellent stuff, Tim. Thorpe was my favourite England player from the moment I was lucky enough to see his debut hundred at Trent Bridge until he retired.<BR/><BR/>He played some wonderfully aggressive innings as well as his trademark solid ones. One thing he always did was keep the scoreboard ticking over. Like all the best players he could not be tied down and recognised that quick singles and rotating the strike were as valuable as boundaries.<BR/><BR/>Hussain writes well about Thorpe in his autobiography, saying that only Thorpe's troubles outside cricket could stop him realising his talent.<BR/><BR/>Fortunately for those of us who enjoyed his batting Thorpe always answered the critics and selectors with brilliant performances.<BR/><BR/>Like you I wish he had been able to take part in the Ashes win. However, I believe he was doubtful with his troublesome bad back. I also remember that Bell was definitely in the team and it was Pietersen who took Thorpe's place. 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